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Topic Summary: Is it smarter to use a dual core CPU or a Quad Core CPU for Gaming Machines?
Created On: 04/28/2008 12:17 AM
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 04/28/2008 12:17 AM
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Ok, I work at Best Buy and during one of our quarterly meetings we had a huge discussion on PC gaming. I said how quad core is the future of games and that a handful of games right now take advantage of 4 cores. One guy from Digital Technologies and one guy who is a huge PC gamer from media disagrees and says that dual core CPU's are the way to go for PC gaming. They also said that there is not one game out that supports quad core and denies Supreme Commander or the UT3 engine supporting more than 2 cores. They even said that updates could never make support for 4 cores because an update could never recode everything that complex and laughed at the idea of an update that could make support for 4 or more cores. I was basically the only one out of like 3 guys who sat there laughing at me saying I'm crazy for buying a quad core for gaming and that I should have gotten a dual core. When looking things up online, I did find a small list of games that do in fact use 4 cores or more. It was Supreme Commander, UT3 Engine (which can support 8 cores!), Crysis, Hellgate London, and Alan Wake. Now heres my question to you guys. First off, is it smarter to go quad core for gaming or is dual core that much better? Secondly, can anyone help me dig up some proof showing that these games do support more than 4 cores or even add to the list? Thanks for your time guys

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 04/28/2008 12:38 AM
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Dude Frozen, I'm sorry, that sucks. I hate those know-it-alls who don't know it all. You should post that list where people clock in with a little explanation!

I don't know what other games really support multiple cores, but upcoming ones will, as they want newer to = better. Also, I hear that Bulldozer will be capable of both thread fusing, and of using multiple cores to process one thread.

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 04/28/2008 01:13 AM
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I keep hearing good things about Bulldozer and if its true that it can split up 1 thread to be processed on 4 cores, wouldn't that multiply performance by 4? Thats a huge increase! When is Bulldozer due? Is there any information on it?

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 04/28/2008 03:06 AM
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Doesn't seem to come in the near future.....and expect them to be late , than those AMD's release dates..

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/c...s_Due_in_2009_AMD.html
 04/28/2008 08:24 AM
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As far as updates for games goes that can enable the use for more cores, sure. MSFS had that in SP1 for the sim, now it uses two cores, lol. not sure when the next SP will support 4.


I'm a fan of future proofing, so if buying a 4 core cpu means a minor loss in performance now for a again 2 or even 3 years down the road, I'm all for it.

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 04/28/2008 03:02 PM
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If it was a higher clocked dual core vs. a lower clocked quad core I would choose the higher clocked dual core for gaming at this time. Such the case between E8400/E3110 vs. Q6600. In terms of future proofing, ya a quad core would be a better investment, especially the Q6600.
 04/28/2008 03:21 PM
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Quad core is the only way to go ! I just can't see life with a dual core any more !

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 04/28/2008 03:59 PM
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Although my dual core is faster than my quad, I hardly use it. It's a good backup cpu.
Dual core is best for gaming right now, but four cores being better, is not far off.

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 04/28/2008 04:39 PM
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Bah, I don't like the idea of Quad cores, either cause it's way more than what I need, or I just think I'll never need it (at least in some considerable amount of time), or because I'm not a die hard, hardcore gamer.
I'm happy with my dual core, and my next build due out this year, is prolly going to be dual core based again.

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 04/28/2008 04:40 PM
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Same thought process here, i will most likely just get a stronger Dual core. Quad is really not necessary.

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 04/28/2008 08:01 PM
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I actually saw a benchmark for the X3 where it whacked the X2's frames, yet the Quad-Core was only about 6% better in most games which is somewhat negligible for now.

Which shows that Games can utilize more than 2 cores, 3 is a sweet spot, 4 hasn't showed much more improvement over the tri-cores, but surely will in the future.

Right now I'm looking at getting an X3

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 04/28/2008 11:25 PM
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Yeah I was looking at the 8750 X3 and it's really a performer, plus since it's only 95 watt TDP, it can OC like mad. It's barely behind the 9850 in synthetics and is right there or ahead in games with a minor OC, and well ahead in some when OC'd to 3.2GHz. Anyways, yes UT3, SC and a few other titles mentioned above do support multiple cores beyond 2.

When I first put this system togeth 2.5 years ago, everyone was saying just get a top end single core like a FX-55 or FX-57. I'm glad I went to the 4200+ and later the FX-60. Future proofed this build for a good while. Triple or quads with a higher clock is best, but for now, a high ringing dual-core will work...but for how much longer? Plus...here's something else to consider that I stmbled across while doing some research on this topic. You might want a triple or quad-core for this reason. DX 10.1 and some advanced games that will start being coded this way. It's tested on a pretty OC'd dual-core, but if multi-core games go this way, and no doubt they will, they will be the future.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index....view&id=6925&Itemid=34

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 04/29/2008 03:40 AM
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today's games can benefit from 2 cores, and some newer titles like Crysis & UT3 can make more of more than two, so it's just about time to have more support for 2+ cores, but at this time 2 cores is dominating

just remember the case when we had the first dual cores, no games at all supports dual core, and the same discussing happened wich is better faster single core or solwer dual core ?
for me, going with more cores is better if the difference in clock is not that much specially if you have a decent high-end VGA and you get some 60+ fps in most games then having even a 1GHz faster dualcore will not affect that much from a 1GHz less quadcore as you already have decent framerate and you wont see the different, as it only a matter of time then games will go for 2+ cores and then you will have more than just Crysis and UT3 that support it.
I suppose it's only matter of another 1~1.5 years to have at least 10 titles with 2+ cores support. so it's upto your upgrade cycle, will you upgrade your CPU in 1~1.5 or 2 years ? or only the VGA ?

in both cases, and for personal opinion, I'll go for QuadCore, I already had a minimal of QuadCore 3.0GHz for my next CPU upgrade, and if 45nm Phenoms are good, then I may even go for 3.2GHz if priced well
 04/29/2008 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by: billaa

Although my dual core is faster than my quad, I hardly use it. It's a good backup cpu.

Dual core is best for gaming right now, but four cores being better, is not far off.




I remember when everyone [in this forum] said the same about single core when dual core was a new technology. Right now I believe that consumers want to cut back on costs for replacing their older computers. For gaming no one really needs a quad core. Its no doubt that Quad core is the best way to go for future proofing. However theres still games that can't take advantage of 2 cores let alone 4. IMO its a better idea to go with dual core.

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 04/29/2008 09:52 PM
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Yeah I mean honestly, its a no-brainer that quad cores are better for the long run, but now I'd go X3 hands down

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 04/29/2008 09:56 PM
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If you look at soem reviews for rainbow six vegas it utilizes however many cores you have So running with that..the UT3 engine will/does utilize whatever resources it can take/use 4 cores effectively.

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It really depends you see in my case, i play quite a few old games such as starcraft for example and multiple cores dont really make a difference in that regard.

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I play UT3, Bioshock (Which I believe is built off the UT3 engine), Supreme Commander, Sins of a Solar Empire, and am planning on buying Alan Wake. 4 out of 5 of those games say they take advantage of quad core processors. But doesn't a quad core help take care of background processes so games can take 100% advantage of each core they use? Like throw backround processes on core 1 and 2 and play a dual core game on 3 and 4? Remember, I do have 80-90 processes going in the backround...

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80-90? holy ***** lol. How do you have so many things open... i have like 45 processes running at most times.

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 04/30/2008 01:14 PM
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I like things up and running at bootup, thats why I'm planning on upgrading to 8GB's and a 64-bit OS

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